diff --git a/client/components/cards/cardDetails.js b/client/components/cards/cardDetails.js
index 401f4c6ef..baf7887be 100644
--- a/client/components/cards/cardDetails.js
+++ b/client/components/cards/cardDetails.js
@@ -388,7 +388,9 @@ BlazeComponent.extendComponent({
           let card = this.data();
           const listSelect = this.$('.js-select-card-details-lists')[0];
           const listId = listSelect.options[listSelect.selectedIndex].value;
-          card.move(card.boardId, card.swimlaneId, listId, card.sort);
+
+          const minOrder = card.getMinSort(listId, card.swimlaneId);
+          card.move(card.boardId, card.swimlaneId, listId, minOrder - 1);
         },
         'click .js-go-to-linked-card'() {
           Utils.goCardId(this.data().linkedId);
@@ -677,21 +679,13 @@ Template.cardDetailsActionsPopup.events({
   'click .js-set-card-color': Popup.open('setCardColor'),
   'click .js-move-card-to-top'(event) {
     event.preventDefault();
-    const minOrder = _.min(
-      this.list()
-        .cardsUnfiltered(this.swimlaneId)
-        .map((c) => c.sort),
-    );
+    const minOrder = this.getMinSort();
     this.move(this.boardId, this.swimlaneId, this.listId, minOrder - 1);
     Popup.back();
   },
   'click .js-move-card-to-bottom'(event) {
     event.preventDefault();
-    const maxOrder = _.max(
-      this.list()
-        .cardsUnfiltered(this.swimlaneId)
-        .map((c) => c.sort),
-    );
+    const maxOrder = this.getMaxSort();
     this.move(this.boardId, this.swimlaneId, this.listId, maxOrder + 1);
     Popup.back();
   },
@@ -836,7 +830,9 @@ Template.moveCardPopup.events({
     const listId = lSelect.options[lSelect.selectedIndex].value;
     const slSelect = $('.js-select-swimlanes')[0];
     const swimlaneId = slSelect.options[slSelect.selectedIndex].value;
-    card.move(boardId, swimlaneId, listId, 0);
+
+    const minOrder = card.getMinSort(listId, swimlaneId);
+    card.move(boardId, swimlaneId, listId, minOrder - 1);
 
     // set new id's to card object in case the card is moved to top by the comment "moveCard" after this command (.js-move-card)
     this.boardId = boardId;
@@ -964,8 +960,10 @@ Template.copyCardPopup.events({
     const boardId = bSelect.options[bSelect.selectedIndex].value;
     const textarea = $('#copy-card-title');
     const title = textarea.val().trim();
-    // insert new card to the bottom of new list
-    card.sort = Lists.findOne(card.listId).cards().count();
+
+    // insert new card to the top of new list
+    const minOrder = card.getMinSort(listId, swimlaneId);
+    card.sort = minOrder - 1;
 
     if (title) {
       card.title = title;
diff --git a/models/cards.js b/models/cards.js
index 73b0d48a1..ef4b2003e 100644
--- a/models/cards.js
+++ b/models/cards.js
@@ -691,6 +691,53 @@ Cards.helpers({
     return _.contains(this.labelIds, labelId);
   },
 
+  /** returns the sort number of a list
+   * @param listId a list id
+   * @param swimlaneId a swimlane id
+   * top sorting of the card at the top if true, or from the bottom if false
+   */
+  getSort(listId, swimlaneId, top) {
+    if (!_.isBoolean(top)) {
+      top = true;
+    }
+    if (!listId) {
+      listId = this.listId;
+    }
+    if (!swimlaneId) {
+      swimlaneId = this.swimlaneId;
+    }
+    const selector = {
+      listId: listId,
+      swimlaneId: swimlaneId,
+      archived: false,
+    };
+    const sorting = top ? 1 : -1;
+    const card = Cards.findOne(selector, { sort: { sort: sorting } });
+    let ret = null
+    if (card) {
+      ret = card.sort;
+    }
+    return ret;
+  },
+
+  /** returns the sort number of a list from the card at the top
+   * @param listId a list id
+   * @param swimlaneId a swimlane id
+   */
+  getMinSort(listId, swimlaneId) {
+    const ret = this.getSort(listId, swimlaneId, true);
+    return ret;
+  },
+
+  /** returns the sort number of a list from the card at the bottom
+   * @param listId a list id
+   * @param swimlaneId a swimlane id
+   */
+  getMaxSort(listId, swimlaneId) {
+    const ret = this.getSort(listId, swimlaneId, false);
+    return ret;
+  },
+
   user() {
     return Users.findOne(this.userId);
   },